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I have musical ADD. I can come up with a decent phrase to last about thirty seconds, but any attempt to expand on it and create a full song invariably results in it morphing into something hideous and unrecognizable. Any advice on a remedy?

Track related, it's my latest such effort.

>> No.9955  
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Be a bit more patient with repetition, especially on rough drafts. Sketch out a form first, then put your theme in. Try putting in a B section or a variation of some sort, then come back to the first part again.

What are you trying to do with your song? If you're trying to tell a story, then you'll want to change the song as the story develops. If you're trying to paint a picture, don't vary it too much—it's okay to let it dwell on the same theme for a while. See the attached song for an example of a rather simple tune that paints the picture effectively and beautifully enough that it doesn't need very much variation at all. The song could be twice as long and add nothing more musically and it'd be okay with me.

You could also go into making movie scores. They tend to be made of many small songs, and that way you could also explore several different styles using a few overarcing main themes. Even if you don't do it for an actual movie, I think it's a great exercise to take a single theme and put it in as many different styles and moods as you can. It can really help in understanding just what it is you're building when you make a song. See the link for an example of...well, okay, not exactly what I'm talking about...but the idea is similar enough, and it's Victor Borge anyway.

Or hey, you could try writing a few verses to go along with your song. That way the focus isn't so much on specifically being musically interesting. Once you have the verses in place, you can play around with subtle stuff in the background if you feel like it, and that'll help you get used to developing a song meant from the start to be longer.

>> No.9966  

>>9955
Wow, a long, helpful comment on /music/! A rare occasion indeed.

Anyway, re film scores: in my experience film scores are more repetitive than anything else. In the typical film, it seems there are usually only a few motifs that get beaten to death. Maybe not the best idea if the OP can't stick to one theme.

Although that does remind me of a fun exercise that the OP might want to try: find a movie or short clip on youtube, and watch it with the sound muted. Score it, and play it back with your score. Then unmute it and compare your score to the score they used. It's fun and makes you compose!

>> No.9996  

Not OP but I'm having a similar problem so I'll just use this thread. Every time I try I try to transfer a song from my head into reallity, I forget it. The moment I hear the first sounds of the song I'm trying to recreate, things start going downhill untill it's irecoverable. A solution might be to transcribe it instead of composing it, but I suck at apreciating musical distances visually so even a pianoroll sketch is hard deal. Any suggestions?

>> No.10007  

>>9996
Sounds like ear training might help. If you can get those melodies out of your head without having to distract your auditory cortex with external stimuli, I think you'll be set. Even if it's just jotting down note names rather than going straight to the piano roll.

>> No.10009  

Yes I think ear training is the key to that. Specifically, interval training can help tremendously. Learn to recognize the intervals by ear. This can help with transcribing as well. Perhaps this site will help. http://musictheory.net/trainers/html/id90_en.html



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